by Jayashree Nandi
This interview was released in some editions of TOI the same day as the controversial letter of environment minister Jairam Ramesh to the PM was exposed. Even though the letter drew immense flak, Ramesh also shared certain strong domestic stances to deal with climate change and for the negotiations. Excerpts from the interview could give you glimpses in to forthcoming strategies including major emphasis on nuclear energy:

Deal or no deal, India will act domestically. It will upgrade its services in the power, industry, transport, building, and forestry to deal with climate change. And there would be no dilly-dallying about this because it will come as a domestic law with binding targets for 2020. One of them is to increase the renewable energy uptake from a dwindling 8% to 20% by 2020. Even while there is criticism internationally that India is playing foul by not accepting binding targets, our negotiating card would be massive work at home. The Union minister for environment and Forests shared his plans for strengthening India’s vulnerable areas to deal with climate change with The Times of India, ahead of the Copenhagen negotiations (COP 15).

Q. You said that India is going to be flexible; the 40% cut for developed nations can be brought down. Why do you think so? What will India’s negotiating points be?

A. The IPCC has said that to keep global temperature rise below 2 degree centigrade, the emissions has to cut by 25 to 40%. The lower limit is 25%. The developed nations including India have decided to keep the target to a 25% cut.
The prime minister and I at several occasions have made it clear India should be part of the solution. It will play a very proactive role. But, the question of legally binding targets for India is ruled out. We will take domestic actions with measurable outcomes. We have decided to make it part of a domestic law. There will be specific domestic targets by 2020 for performance improvement and efficiency in the power, transport, industry, building, and forestry will be part of the domestic law. So unilaterally and voluntarily we have decided on domestic obligations, which will be accountable to the parliament. If the developed countries are willing to discuss, this will also get reflected in the international negotiations but this would be short of accepting binding targets.

Q. So domestically we are going to have a law that would affect people in their daily lives and in dealing with climate change?

A. I don’t know how much it is going to affect people because it will be more in the efficiency improvement sector and in the area of energy intensity. But let us face it. India is one of the most vulnerable to climate change. We are already affected with frequent droughts and floods. The mean sea levels are rising. Many of our coal reserves are in forest areas and we need to cut trees to exploit them. We have to have a response to all this independent of COP 15.

Q. ISRO has climate of data of the past 20 years. With the initial data you received from them, what is the impact like on India?

They will give me a complete summary of the impact. We are stressing a lot on local documentation because all the impacts we are quoting now are by westerners. An important example is that America has a completely different estimate of black carbon emitted by India than that of ISRO’s study. ISRO study shows that India’s black carbon emissions are three times lesser than what the West has quoted. It is also far lesser than that of America. This is eye-opening, as this issue would be dragged in the negotiations and India will be questioned about it.

Q. What are your expectations from the US? Will they act in COP 15?

A. It is in India’s interest to bring US in to mainstream talks. It has not been part of the Kyoto protocol. Any international agreement without US will be meaningless.

Q. There has been a lot of debate on the introduction of Bt Brinjal. Do you think India really needs genetically modified crops?

A. They may be. Bt cotton has become a fact of life. It has dramatically catapulted in to the second position in the global cotton market. But Bt Brinjal is different. It is something that we are going to consume. Let me see what the public consultations leads to. I have already unveiled the plan of action and will hold extensive discussions after COP15, in January and February.

Q. There has been uproar against uranium mining in Meghalya, it is also going to start in Karnataka. How important is nuclear in you climate road map?

A. I was involved in the Meghalaya issue and had wriiten to the department of Atomic energy. The department has tried their best to address the fears and concerns of the people there. A white paper had been presented on the issue. Now it is up to the Meghalaya government.
Nuclear is the best solution to deal with climate change. It is a very important part.

Q. Most of the renewable energy technologies in India are exported out. What are you doing to make the domestic market favourable?

A. One of the commitments right now is to increase the consumption of solar, small hydel and wind from 8% to 15 to 20% by 2020 as part of the law. The law will announced in a few week’s time.